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Bob Gelfond's avatar

Trust in the issuer is fundamental to all currencies and all issuers always have discretion. While an ounce of gold doesn't change, the holder of a coin had to worry how pure it was. Holders of gold backed notes had to worry about the ability of the issuer to redeem. Sovereign issuers could and did devalue their currencies against gold and ultimately all of them broke the link entirely.

At least with a private issuer any attempt to devalue will be public and if dauers end up being typical of other goods, any such attempts will be punished by the market.

In regard to redemptions, assuming the CP hasn't overissued, which certainly could cause its credit to be questioned, the redemptions are made with a resource on hand. A short term demand spike can be smoothed by incentivizing delay through bonus payments. No doubt this will be a learning process on the part of the provider but I don't see any inherent reason they couldn't smooth demand as long as they haven't overissued. This of course would be a good situation for them to be in as it means their cloud is being used at or near capacity.

Bottlenecks could exist in technologies that change their relative price to compute but it's likely over anything but the short term they will be correlated as compute is fundamental. Robots are moving computers, oil wells have all sorts of sensors acquiring data that gets analyzed. It won't be perfect which is why we need competing currencies. Gold discovery didn't keep up with economic growth in the 1870s which led to a severe deflation.

You're right that dauer holders take on the infrastructure risk but that's the point and something they'll have to be compensated for. This is not different from a holder of equity or debt but dauers wold provide a different risk/reward profile than either. The hope is that this will expand the market of those willing to take that risk.

Private companies looking at payment data are doing it to help their business sell stuff to consumer. It is quite different from a government surveilance that is looking to see if you need to pay a tax or be put in jail. To those who don't transact in crypto, the overwhelming majority, this data is already out there, the question is can its value accrue to businesses in away that drives down payment fees to consumers. As with any other voluntary transaction a win/win.

If dauers are hoarded it will incentivize the provider to issue more. Even if they don't become a payment method, that would still be a success. Just the network effects of the existing dollar world might be too much of a hurdle for dauers but that doesn't mean they still wouldn't be a very valuable product for both providers and consumers.

Joseph Potvin's avatar

Bob, Three questions:

1. If your system were implemented, what would 5-year supply contracts for, say, basmati rice from India, copper from Chile, and phosphate from Morocco be denominated in?

2. If payment were in dauers, what sorts of data sources would enable independent verifiability of forward-looking capacity to compute?

3. How far forward is forward-looking capacity to compute? Two minutes? Two years? Two decades?

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